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Foreign Ministers of the Southeast Asian asean block have met in Jakarta and have been joined by top envoys from China Russia and the US what brought the visitors from afar who’s looking for what and from whom this is Inside Story Hello and welcome to the program I’m Emily anguin we don’t want asean to become a proxy for other countries the words of Indonesia’s president Joko Widodo as foreign ministers from 10 Southeast Asian countries meet in the capital Jakarta running through the region and major fault lines of disputes

Between East and West the arrival of top diplomats from China Russia and the US underline the importance of the region and its potential flashpoints Taiwan North Korea Russia’s war in Ukraine territorial disputes in the South China Sea to name just a few so is asean at risk of being used by more powerful

Countries we’ll be discussing all that and asean’s wider role in world affairs with our guests but first Jessica Washington reports from the regional Forum in the Indonesian capital it’s been a week of intense diplomacy here in Jakarta with top diplomats from around the world coming to Jakarta forced talks with their asean

Counterparts the U.S Secretary of State Anthony blinken Russia’s foreign minister Sergey lavrov and China’s top Diplomat Wang Yi all in town for these discussions as well as the foreign ministers from a string of other countries Australia India the UK South Korea and even representation from North Korea North Korea’s ambassador to

Indonesia sitting in on on some of those meetings now with such a diverse range of countries it’s no surprise that there are a diverse range of topics to cover mostly focusing on security issues in the Asia Pacific among the issues raised during this week of talks significant Regional security

Issues these include North Korea’s ballistic missile launches at the South China Sea the war in Ukraine which secretary blinken reiterated to his asean colleagues is causing direct harm to people across the region exacerbating food and energy crises and of course the crisis in Myanmar with the escalation of violence unfolding there host nation

Indonesia has emphasized the importance of keeping the region peaceful and stable speaking with her asean counterparts foreign minister retino masudi stressed the need to keep the region peaceful and that it cannot become a Battleground or a proxy in great power rivalry the most pressing issue for the block at this moment is

The violence in Myanmar and the deteriorating situation there in the communique of asean foreign ministers they strongly condemned the continued acts of violence in Myanmar including airstrikes artillery shelling and the destruction of public facilities and they urged all parties to take action to stop the violence the meetings come as doubts over the

Effectiveness and credibility of the asean Bloc continue to emerge particularly as there are questions over the unity of the Block in facing some of the Region’s biggest challenges including Chief among them the crisis and unfolding violence in Myanmar Jessica Washington in Jakarta for Inside Story so what is asean the association of

Southeast Asian Nations was created in 1967 to stand against communism but has evolved over the years by fostering trade security and other bilateral relations it has 10 members Brunei Cambodia Indonesia Laos Malaysia the Philippines Singapore Thailand Vietnam and Myanmar they have a population of 662 million and a combined GDP of 3.2

Trillion dollars asean is party to the largest Free Trade Agreement in the world the regional comprehensive economic partnership along with China New Zealand Australia Japan and South Korea All right let’s bring in our guests in Singapore Jian Chong an associate professor of political science at the National University of Singapore in Washington DC Shirley Yu a senior visiting fellow at the London School of economics and in Beijing Aina tangyan a senior fellow at the Tai ho Institute a

Very warm welcome to you all and thanks for joining us on the program I’m going to start with you just how relevant is asean on a global stage today well it’s increasingly relevant because of its growth if you look at almost all indices they’re way way ahead they’re part of

This kind of larger China Asian economic block not only through rcep but through the Belton Road initiative which has been helping with infrastructure and things like that so it’s become a kind of a area of Interest the United States the U.S has been involved 10 years after asean

Was created but it was always seen as a strategic issue now it’s increasingly becoming economic it has a very large trade surplus of the U.S and a lot of the goods that were previously coming directly from China are actually now coming from asean States uh there are intermediate Goods that are made in

China then shipped the shipped there but finished products are going out so economically politically obviously very relevant Shirley do you agree is asean relevant today on a global stage absolutely as young as the world’s possibly most an assuming economic superpower it is today about 3.4 percent of the global gdpr

Nominal terms so that is about three quarters of the Japanese economy but the economic scale is expected to quadruple by 2040 and that’ll make it much larger than Japan Indonesia and Germany Europe portuguing the economy was actually a dog shopping’s idea at the initiation of China’s reform and opening up and so the

Idea itself is extremely bold and exciting and I think it’s fair to say that the global growth opportunities really lies in South and Southeast Asia in the coming decades and your reaction so I think there’s a common confusion between southeast Asia and asean Southeast Asia the countries who are

Members states of asean certainly they have the economic attributes that were earlier described however we’re talking about asean as a corporate actor as an organized it certainly lacks Unity it has a lot of trouble trying to put initiatives across I mean in the description uh right at the front we you

Know we heard how uh president Djokovic this year’s asean chair Indonesia saying that well they don’t want to be put in a position of major power competition well the positions that asean put forward are in the passive right they don’t want to do things they have a lot of trouble

Trying to put forward what they want and this includes trying to deal with the unfolding crisis in Myanmar yes I want to break down all of those issues one by one throughout the program but first of all I guess my question to you Ian is then based on what you’ve just said what

Is the biggest challenge for the block I think the biggest challenge right now is really um I’ll see on Unity the different member states uh while they all broadly want um economic gains they broadly want stability there is a lot of a lot more difference over how to achieve those ends

Um and you know what might need to be sacrificed or what what kinds of initiative needs to be taken so the default sort of holding position is the sort of very passive sort of we don’t want to choose sides we don’t want this we don’t want that uh that we’re seeing

Right now so that inability to put forward an initiative to try to address whether it’s the Myanmar issue whether it’s about trying to get the major powers on the same page that I think is really what is a stumbling block for Asiana at this point in time

I know I noticed that you were shaking your head there so you don’t agree the biggest challenge for the block is managing these escalating tensions potentially between the US and China well I I don’t think it’s asean’s job to uh figure out how to get Russia the

United States and China together uh that is going to be a very separate conversation I do agree that it is 10 members and they don’t agree but I think it’s wrong to put this uh kind of Western gloss on uh this particular organization it is a consensus organization not corporate it’s not like

The U.N where you get enough votes and you can pass things this is a group that has to sovereign states have to agree with each other so they have been putting pressure on on Myanmar but they’re not kicking them out they’re not putting you know big sanctions on them

And things like this what they’re trying to do is bring them back in the fold I think uh with in most Asian countries there’s this feeling that you have to be patient that tomorrow is another day and another day we’ll follow that and things change invariably so I don’t think it’s

Very useful to set deadlines and say oh well you have to do this that and the other thing these are sovereign countries and they have to be respected and the summit has condemned I don’t agree with that I really don’t agree with that I think uh the the that may be

The view from Beijing but you know Beijing does not have a monopoly um on what is Asian right from Beijing I’m just going to interrupt you a gentlemen I’m just going to interrupt you there I’m going to let Ian finish what he has to say and then Shirley can

Respond and then I know you can respond to that so Ian please go ahead so like I don’t think it’s um asean you know should has any role in managing usprc relations that’s something up to the major pause but it does have a role in putting forward its own plan this

Doesn’t have to be putting forward a deadline but it does need some sort of plan to have a the five-point consensus that really you know doesn’t incentivize or disincentivize for that matter put a certain kinds of behavior is one of the reasons why we’re seeing this dragging

Out of the Myanmar situation I mean that is the outcome Shirley did you want to respond I agree that asean faces both internal and external is a Loosely connected trades block uh inter ideal trade and FDI inflow is significantly higher than intro as your economic activities so the block

Definitely needs to expand the internal trade investment in Naval visa-free travels and further integrate the Regional Supply chains all of which will be crucial for its success but uh as you know it’s also not to be underestimated uh let’s recall the rsap agreements because of asean’s unassuming power

China Japan and Korea were able to reach Free Trade Agreement which otherwise would have been completely inconceivable given the historical hostilities so asean might surprise the world again not just because of yes or seemingly you know the lack of political cohesion or ideological allegiance to each one

Another but really because of a coherent aspiration for a collective as your rights I know if I can just return to the Myanmar issue issue do you think that the summit has moved the needle at all when it comes to this continuing crisis in Myanmar no I I don’t think

They have I mean the situation in Myanmar is fairly intractable uh already there’s a lot of scrutiny of uh illegal oil trades that are going on there uh there are people who are taking advantage of the chaos once again to make money but this idea that uh you know nothing has

Been accomplished uh by asean I shouldn’t say that that’s uh overstating it but you know look at what they have accomplished the rcep uh the growth in asean is now the Envy of the world so this idea that you know it doesn’t function and there’s something wrong

With it and it has to adopt a kind of Western value approach uh you know and and set the headlines I think is wrong and you know obviously there’s plenty of room to disagree but you you do have to look look at the results and at this

Juncture the results are pretty good you can’t just isolate uh mymar and say look you know because they’re not dealing with Myanmar the way you want them to therefore it’s a failure you have to look at the entire picture right now it looks pretty good one of the other

Processing issues that was on the agenda was that Asian asean rather in China on Thursday reaffirmed their commitment to speed up negotiations on that long delayed code of conduct in the South China Sea in if I can ask you why has this been dragged out and what impact if

Any will this code of conduct have on what happens in the South China Sea so the code of conduct was initially put forward as a way perhaps to govern behavior on the South China Sea to avoid escalation to avoid uh tensions getting out of control now uh what the situation

Has sort of uh developed into and this is one of the reasons why the negotiations has have taken or taken over what 20 years now the basic point is that um there is doubt uh among asean members uh and the degree of Doubt will vary about whether China will keep to

Whatever commitments uh it makes and conversely if they are held to commitments uh Asia members that is uh they make they may be sort of overly hemmed in now uh on the on the PRC side I suppose there is concern that you know if you have sort of rules that try to

Limit uh what Beijing can do it may not um you know uh it may not have the sort of freedom of action it wants especially as it seeks to pursue its claims in the South China Sea and also I mean this is not like a that’s not a western thing uh

You know this view is is coming from Southeast I’m the only person here on this panel from Southeast who who engages asean on it issues on a daily basis so I think sometimes the perspective from outside of asean can be quite different from the perspective inside asean and perhaps some respect

For how asean members actually look at the issues could be useful um really I’ll take it over to you now how important is asean functions like Vietnam and the Philippines who have long been having these territorial disputes with Beijing how important is asean for them a very interesting uh if you notice uh

Recently with the escalating uh territorial tension between uh China and these two Asian members you just mentioned uh I would say in Vietnam recently and uh if you look at the transportation Ministry from Vietnam who actually recently visited Beijing to discuss uh uh bringing Chinese High-Speed Rail networks to Vietnam so

The historical attention uh in a way between China and the neighboring countries it’s always been there historically at very pointy history uh border shifted between China and Vietnam there were territorial disputes and at some point in time the even the culture were homogenous and so I think today the

Dominant discussion between China and these Asian labor countries it’s still overwhelmingly uh economic uh within the economic realm and so if we were to look at the ongoing narratives I I don’t think for for uh the the wrong daughter of asia-pacific region it is going to be territorial disputes that are dominant

The ongoing narrative in the 21st century I think it’ll be economic prosperity what we’ve seen in in recent weeks recent months more military bases being built in the Philippines and very public Maritime displays Aina what are the implications of the U.S boosting its military might or its military alliances

With asean members well obviously it’s not welcome in Beijing but these are sovereign Nations they have the right to do that the question is are they going to open themselves to up to some sort of you know being involved as basically uh jumping off points for another War I

Mean uh surely everyone in asean remembers what happened in Vietnam and Laos Cambodia even South Korea on the earlier Parts where those areas were just basically used as a portable bases to support U.S troops it didn’t accomplish anything South Korea is still in in transition Vietnam was lost and

Has found its own way now I I’m not trying feelings I didn’t realize he’s spoken for you know the asean Nations I’ve had the privilege of knowing many of the ambassadors over the years from asean and also ministers so uh my perspective is perhaps skewed by the fact that what

They’ve told me as opposed to what I’ve heard from him and did you want to respond so I mean these are debates that we have in asean uh quite a bit and The View on you know what what you uh how you look at asean in the past

Um you know that there’s some debate over so for instance uh Cambodia uh allows in Vietnam uh take issue with uh the older asean State siding with Beijing and Washington uh uh in against Vietnam when it invaded Cambodia but you know that is also seen by

Um the asean states that were sort of a party to uh to the supporting of the um um the Cambodian coalition government that you know it helps stabilize the region uh that it helped create a situation where economic growth could happen so uh on on the issue of uh

Improving uh military and other ties with various States not this is not just the US a long-standing view that um a number of asean members won’t say oh a number of asean members take is that the more major Powers getting involved in the region uh having a stake in the region would encourage

Um you know more would encourage these states to you know take a stand to preserve the Region’s stability and it’s on that stability um that allows for prosperity to be built so it’s not that the economics is separate from the stability and the security they are interlinked in Indonesia’s president said asean

Should not become a platform for conflict or a tool used by Any Nation I want to move away slightly from the Chinese U.S tensions so why is Russia there so this is precisely what I was talking about there’s this view that having more major Powers having a stake

In the region would be a good thing so uh the view is that if you get Russia in uh perhaps you know it would have a stake as well and on the other on the flip side of it um one of the other things that asean

Likes to uh how he likes to see itself is as a convening power right it has a way of bringing different actors together this is a way that the organization uh bring uplifts itself and its importance right so it provides a platform for uh states with a dialogue partners with different interests with

Different points of view to come come together not that they would agree not that they would necessarily find a solution but that they keep talking and from that conversation perhaps you know ways forward can be found perhaps uh pitfalls such as further escalation can be avoided so that’s the point of

Inviting uh Russia even though I think asean states there is some variation on the degree which they own which they support uh Russia’s invasion of Ukraine yeah surely could asean play a role do you think in brokering peace in Ukraine I died in Ukraine specifically but in the broader Asian economic integration I

Wouldn’t address teammate Asians of potential power there but again though to respond to your question normally uh we have to look at the fundamental um feature of Asia it is a collective of autocracies democracies Kingdom and the military government so the common denominator for asean 10 Nations is political non-alignment and

Today I think I don’t believe that the asean Nations will be siding with the U.S positive autocracy versus democracy Global narrative and I doubted that Asia will be moving towards the risk in China economically and so it is again uh because uh it’s paralyzing this very nature of non-political alignments I

Know what is Moscow trying to achieve by its attendance do you think no well they’re not uh they’re it’s called desperation they’ve been cut off from the West uh effectively they can’t even use the banks so they are looking to uh open up additional trade Singapore is opposing them

Um and has made it very clear that uh they’re concerned about the U.S concerns in in Ukraine that’s their their right but they would like to have local settlements uh in I mean settlements and local currencies and they uh you know it’s just when you have nowhere else to

Go you go to where things are and right now asean is a hot spot obviously there are opportunities for Russia they’re thinking that because of the increased number of people that are expected there that there’ll have to be more Machinery Russian Machinery is uh fairly inexpensive uh also there’ll be energy

Needs so they’re looking at the opportunities long term although their total um uh trade right now is is fairly mediocre Ian how do you think asean should evolve going forward what will we be discussing this time next year so I mean a lot of what uh happens at

These pharmacist meetings uh is you know depends on what happens in the rest of the world but I think asean itself if you look at the Joint statement that was put out it does uh want to emphasize uh on strengthening the economy and economic cooperation both within asean and outside of asean

Um it is also talking about ways to improve intra asean coordination um it is consensus based but the the uh I think uh I think still areas to be gained in terms of making coordination smoother getting asean to see things um you know on a be on the same page more quickly

So those are things I I think that asean leaders are currently grappling with this has come up time and time again and I think they will continue past in the Indonesia’s Championship this year surely the same question to you I think I think as young is a well

Positioned to capitalize on The Best of Both Worlds uh between now and perhaps the coming couple of decades today we’re seeing uh two of the world’s largest economies increasingly moving their supply chains manufacturing technology and with a talent pool to the region uh the U.S initiated the IP iPads uh the

Indo-pacific economic partnership which just completed the supply chain agreements and uh with the ongoing R sub agreements which deeply brings asean closer to Continental Eurasia and so we are seeing essentially where else in the world do we have a region that are essentially the darning of two largest

Uh Global economies at the same time and so I think uh to maximize this Economic Opportunity and to really uh develop a quintessential supply chain that will continue to bring economic Prosperity uh stabilize the global inflation uh for the world that’ll be social and Aina

Well I think I would also put the he put the nail on the head which is quite frankly uh it’s about security issues and what I mean by that is outside entities trying to inject uh their agendas into uh the asean area now I do agree that China has to be more creative

Than doing Tit for Tat with uh great powers like the United States or Europe uh they’re going to have to figure out some way of getting around it and you know the South China Sea issue is a major one if that were to be settled all

Right there would be a a quick cooling down of the temperatures there because it would no longer be in play any attempt by the U.S to try to insert itself militarily or for security reasons would be rebuffed because they say why we’re not we don’t have any threats why are

You here and that I think would be uh relieve a tremendous amount of tension not only for China but for asean and the entire world and just some final thoughts from you we only have two minutes left of the program and then quickly to Shirley

So I think uh moving ahead on the South China Sea issues would be good I think in that case if China would agree to abide by unclause something that’s signed and ratified I think that would be a great move forward I mean one of the ways that we can look at that is

Through the arbitral tribunal uh process that you know Philippines have brought that had been ruled in favor of the Philippines that’s one place to start um to avoid uh using the sort of musk muscle that it has on smaller actors I think that would be very much

Appreciated in this part of the world as well Shirley uh China just agreed with Asia on the non-aggression pact on Seafood to be completed within three years or less but the the past also proposes that it’ll restrict the foreign activities and uh presence in the uh you know in the

Regional Waters so I think it’s going to be a harder negotiation ahead but if we were to look at the just concluded NATO Summit the communique also stated that the PRC challenges uh its interests security and values and it’s interesting that we note our interest comes before

Security and before values and if we talk about we’re talking about NATO here so I think uh that really reflects a current understanding globally on that economic Prosperity is a part of the broader National Security narrative and so it’s really not just the military spec per se that aggravates China other

Region it is really uh the you know the the restrictions the suppression circuments and containment as a Chinese president she talked about that aggravates China Shirley thank you very much I know you’ve got 30 seconds left for your final thoughts well you know let’s hope that this works

Out I mean the the issue here in asean is a lot of it is about these security issues but I I do think you have to respect what asean has done uh and has accomplished as we have talked about here and I don’t think that it’s uh you’re you’re going to take this

Legalistic uh point of view where you can force other nations to do something if that were true the United States would not be the by definition of rogue State because it breaks treaties it starts Wars and it’s in violation of the unsw sabotaging the WTO right now we

Need to build trust and that that is what uh is happening in Southeast Asia is that there’s trust being built because they are cooperating and I hopefully that that trust will be the basis of finding peace in the region uh that allow as Shirley has said uh prosperity for everybody

Well it’s certainly a complex region with many moving parts and we appreciate all your thoughts on this and your analysis it’s been a fascinating conversation thank you to ja Ian Chong associate professor of political science Shirley you a senior visiting fellow and Aina Tangen a senior fellow at the Thai

Her Institute thank you and thank you too for watching at home you can see the program again anytime by visiting our website Al and for further discussion go to our Facebook page that’s forward slash AJ Inside Story you can also join the conversation on Twitter our handle is AJ

Inside story from me Emily anguin and the whole team bye for now

‘We don’t want ASEAN to become a proxy for other countries,’ said Indonesia’s president Joko Widodo as 10 SE Asian foreign ministers met in the capital Jakarta.
Running through the region are major fault lines of disputes between east and west.
The arrival of top diplomats from China, Russia and the U.S. underline the importance of the So is ASEAN at risk of being used by more powerful countries?

Presenter: Emily Angwin
Ja Ian Chong, Associate Professor of Political Science, National University of Singapore.
Shirley Yu, Senior Visiting Fellow, London School of Economics.
Einar Tangen, Senior Fellow, Taihe Institute

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  1. U know how big indonesia is, its like europe countries combine to be 1 state, thats why as an indonesia i dont agree if indonesia takes a risk to be leader of this asean. So many things to do and more complicated than junta’s myanmar issue, did u understand why there’s no single country want bo leader of asean, in this case, if asean send their military u know what will happened, ww3 after russia and ukraine would happen in asean. There we go.

  2. asian is nothing.they are doing business.powerful people make money.they cant do nothing about myanmar.look like united nation.UN and Asian are nothing.powerful people make money thats it😂😂😂😂

  3. ASEAN's are all Chinese❤️🇨🇳

  4. China role in asean is the bad boy in that region if china stop its expansionism, ther will be peacefull souyh china sea . China wants to own the whole scs region

  5. China is not a rich country. Only population. If ASEAN learn technology and systems from US and Japan, they will surpass China.

  6. ASEAN ❤🎉🎉🎉❤❤. Never let Colonizer corrupt you.

  7. its so funny when they started talking over each other hahah

  8. The Singapore correspondent is mostly out of context and speaking with inclination towards western understanding. Asean is not what he understand as he is urbanizedly centered on a small corporate island with limitations of that first world perspective. His hard opinion would turn erratic with time based on the fundamentals basis of each Asean nations and China; broader than just extrapolating through Singaporean experience.

  9. ASEAN is No China!🙄
    May the Souls of our ASEAN ancestors rest in peace. May the spirit of Lapu lapu live in our spirit to defend our lands andvget rid of these Chinese scams that making us move away from them.

  10. ASEAN should be and will always be the biggest neutral group just like Switzerland. No one should interfere its own domestic problem and any problems should be solved by talks and negotiations

  11. Get some guests from Indonesia or Philippines next time.

  12. I agree with Widodo. Maybe he is referring to some ASEAN countries that are more aligning to superpowers like pro US – Philippines and pro China – Laos and Myanmar. It is also complicated due to tensions in South China Sea. Not all ASEAN are claimants. PH, Vietnam, Brunei and Malaysia have interests there. Indonesia also have EEZ overlap issue with China's "9 dash line". So far Vietnam and Malaysia have at least the basic military posture to deter Chinese threat but PH has almost none that is why they invite US. This is where the problem comes. Involving two superpowers would make that contested region a warzone.

  13. Why won't ASEAN build a NATO like military force and EU like economic union? Africa and MENA is already doing it. IDK for LATAM but ASEAN has great potential.

  14. ASEAN is often seen as lacking the ability to effectively counter China in various situations. While synergy is typically viewed as a means to combat bullying, ASEAN’s unity seems more recreational than purposeful.ASEAN should disband.

  15. October 17, 2023

    Irene Imanil here in the state of HI, USA to report the following:

    1. The generations of Orlando Ferrer Imanil and Norma Laca in HI is the helpless target of victimization of various network (organizations) who stole the name of the royal bloodline to prosper. The generations are Americans too, but they are not protected by the US military. If anything they are the target of heist by the US military with Arquero Kennedy at the top of the heist. Arquero Kennedy pays various network to carry out or execute slow painful suffering eventually requiring medical attention ultimately leading to death.

    2. In vitro sons and daughters of the Jonathan Imanil are used to acquire real estate by the caretakers or surrogate mothers, but at a certain age, usually under 25 year old, the boys and girls are released by the caretaker, surrogate mother for as little as $300 to be paralyzed and/or to be killed.

    3. Some of the US military men and women are involved in the atrocities and deaths of the royal bloodline generations of Orlando Ferrer Imanil and Norma Laca in HI. American UN observers may be biased and failed to report facts because they prefer payment from Arquero Kennedy but it is Norma Laca's money with Arquero Kennedy the custodian of the funds without a dime to the generations of Orlando Ferrer Imanil and Norma Laca.

    4. Real Estate acquisition in HI is the number source and cause of adopting a son of the Jonathan Imanil in one's attempt to own a prime real estate property in Waikiki. But, again at a certain age, the boy or girl is ditched, released to one's care where he or she is beaten, raped, starved, sleep deprived, medicated, tortured, and killed in America with Arquero Kennedy unable to do anything because they are competing for the reign and throne that belong to Orlando Ferrer Imanil and his generations on the side of King Philip. Others compete for the name Laca on the side of Norma Laca with Mercy Peralta, the financier of the assasination of Laca face generations of Norma Laca for her effort to make her son with Vladimir Putin to be Gaudencio Laca, Jonathan Imanil and Orly Imanil and her daughter to be Norma Laca who resides in Russia. This Filipina woman is out of Laca bloodline but wants to have Laca last name for her children from and with Vladimir Putin. She pays the former Governor of Hawaii who is also Filipina to be involved in the deaths of Norma Laca's generations in HI.

    5. In today's age of computer, internet, server, machine, America lost grip on the role and significance of the court system that others are led to believe only force from other people works; thus it is becoming criminal for the generations of Norma Laca and Orlando Ferrer Imanil, and no justice is served, yet they have not committed any crime much less know the bloodline they hailed into. We are human beings too with need to be protected but the ill gotten wealth amassed and the size of the organizations who stole the names of Orlando Ferrer Imanil and Norma Laca are more powerful than the remaining generations of the royal bloodline.

    6. I have been homeless in the streets of Honolulu for over a year now, and there seems to be a collaborating effort to take me unexpectedly for someone else to be Irene Imanil. I must be internationally protected for my survival and to claim my innovation in business and school name only that is TUTOR TIME "Partner of Academic Success" who is with Mark Zuckerberg and his Filipina woman. The couple stole my school and began to pay educators to develop academics online sites.

    7. The US military role for our deaths include killings, tortures, transports, corpse disposal. We want to survive in America.

    8. Healthcare quid pro quo for food we eat, water supply we used, accomodations is applied to us where it shouldn't have been applied. I am working so hard to make it work for me, my nieces and nephews my siblings, and parents to keep us alive in America. The international community must be involved with our long term survival free of abuse and torture in America. I am being sought for by organizations of UN, NATO, NORAD, NASA, FAA, Universities, Arab League, ASEAN, but block by my fellow Americans for someone else to be presented as Irene Imanil in the persona of Caroline Kennedy, Jenny Arquero, Joni Quenga, Madeleine Bordallo, Lin Manalo and many others.

    9. We have no benefits we receive from the military of America, but the US military are on bi weekly wages, housed, and well fed but some of my nieces and nephews are starved, abused, medicated, tortured and killed untimely just because they hailed from royal bloodline who are stolen in identity. Military won't come forward for our defense and protection so

    10. We need assistance from Geneva Conventions ASAP.

    Irene Imanil

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